[King Mob]

Zelly 2.0

[Stefan S]

Zelly was not bad (especially, as a transitory piece).

[Kstat]

Khatib for a long time was the best power forward overseas. I really liked watching him play.

I agree though, his window for the NBA is closed.

[Dave Bing]

Looks like dogmeat in that highlight video. The Gores effect?

[The King]

At least we know Dumars is out scouting 32 year old nobodies. We need to find the next Chieck Samb. Why deal for actual NBA players?

[Whiteman]

So what is really up with CV's foot?

[Kstat]

Best not to try to figure out what is the cause of the mystery ailments this season, because you're going to see a lot of them.

This is what tanking teams do. They invent new and creative ways to de-activate under-performing veterans.

[RodimusPrime]

Originally Posted by Whiteman

So what is really up with CV's foot?

Stage 3 Cankleitis.

[ghandi]

Originally Posted by Kstat

Best not to try to figure out what is the cause of the mystery ailments this season, because you're going to see a lot of them.

This is what tanking teams do. They invent new and creative ways to de-activate under-performing veterans.

Theres just alot of injuries around the league period.....I dont think most of these guys were in (basketball) shape and the heavy scheduling is taking its toll.

[FadedMario]

By Dan Feldman • 12:19 pm • January 24, 2012

Chris Broussard of ESPN suggested five trades that would help both teams:

5. Detroit Pistons trade Tayshaun Prince to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Michael Beasley

Detroit is horrible, and in need of a major overhaul. They signed Prince to keep an asset, and turning him into the talented Beasley could end up being a coup. I know Beasley has his issues, but he’s also got game, and with the way things are going in Detroit, it’s worth the risk.

By adding Beasley, the Pistons would have a young nucleus of Brandon Knight, Ben Gordon, Beasley and the impressive Greg Monroe. It’s not championship-caliber, but it has a chance of being better than what they have now. Joe Dumars once helped rejuvenate the careers of Billups and Ben Wallace. Maybe he can get through to Beasley, who after two trades would perhaps be a bit humbled.

For Minnesota, it clears out their congested small forward spot and gives Derrick Williams room to grow. The Timberwolves need to find out whether Williams can play the 3 full-time, and what better way than to move Beasley out of the way. In case you haven’t noticed, Minny has done quite well without Beasley in the lineup, going 5-4 in the first nine games he missed due to injury.

Tayshaun Prince can’t be traded until March 1, and even then, I don’t see the Pistons making this trade. Joe Dumars has maintained a young, growing team needs a veteran to guide it, and he clearly sees Prince as that veteran.

That said, without the all-important chance to assess Michael Beasley’s character issues up close, I’d probably make the trade.

via PistonsPowered

[whoDean]

What does Beasley give us that Villanueva wouldn't?

[FadedMario]

Originally Posted by whoDean

What does Beasley give us that Villanueva wouldn't?

Talent..

[FadedMario]

Beasley is worth the risk. Just an opinion..

[hack]

How does swapping SFs clear out Minny's SF logjam?

[RodimusPrime]

Beasley would give us the 3 point shooting big with a bad attitude and great weed connections that we've been missing since Sheed left.

[Billl]

I don't think we'll see dumars trading for anyone that can't be described as "high character." We don't have the veteran leadership it would take to bring a guy like beasley around.

[Willie B Random]

"high character"? I thought Beasley was always high.

[ghandi]

Yeah no thanks to Beasley

[Dave Bing]

I don't think that Austin needs someone to be lazy with.

[Whiteman]

Dumars has said during his last interview that, he is looking for long term young players or any chance to clear salary. Dumars wont hesisitate to add young talent, but if he has a trade on the table to do so, he wont do it till a day before the deadline so that we can squeeze out as many losses as we can for the draft.

I'm also pretty sure with the way things are going in New Orleans we can get Kaman for a second round pick.

[Hobbs]

Beasley sucks balls. He has talent, but the only way he'll ever live up to it is if he bottoms out first and decides to completely change his life.

We need a trade though. No doubt. There has to be one this year.

[Whiteman]

Beasley is this generations Zach Randolph. Tons of talent but it may take him to be traded a couple of times for him to fully understand that he needs to shape up. So far this year I have not read anything bad about him. Just been hurt this season.

[King Mob]

Isn't Zach Randolph this generation's Zach Randolph?

[Whiteman]

Nope that was last generations. 2010 and prior

[Mel Kiper Jr]

Not saying that we should trade for Beasley, but I think it's funny how people overrate Piston players value.

Beasley is a 6 foot 10, 23 year old SF...averaging 13 ppg and 7 rpg. He's 23! For his career he's averaging 16 ppg.

Prince is 31, averaging 12 ppg and 3.1 rpg this season. 12.9 ppg and 4.6 rpg for his career.

I doubt that the Wolves would do this trade. Yeah Beasley has some baggage, but he's young, talented, and has potential to develop into a 20 ppg scorer.

[hack]

Citing stats in evaluating Prince wouldn't be the right way to go about it, really. While Tay's no longer a lock-down, he is an excellent defender. He's also an exceptionally smart basketball player. He's got a ring and a ton of playoff miles behind him. He's got credibility with the kids.

[Mel Kiper Jr]

Originally Posted by hack

Citing stats in evaluating Prince wouldn't be the right way to go about it, really. While Tay's no longer a lock-down, he is an excellent defender. He's also an exceptionally smart basketball player. He's got a ring and a ton of playoff miles behind him. He's got credibility with the kids.

I agree with that...but we have 4 wins. How much does that stuff really help us? At this stage of the game we need talent.

And by no means am I saying I'd trade for Beasley. I would however look into it if it presented itself.

I doubt that Prince has enough value to get a Beasley in a trade though.

[hack]

Depends on which teams they're on. If Minny has an SF logjam, no. If Joe continues to see Prince as our bridge, then no.

[Money23]

I would definitely think about trading Prince for Beasley with Frank as the coach and 4 wins. I could understand the argument against it a lot more if we were playoff contenders, but we aint, and no amount of watching Tay ignore open shooters to toss out that one jump hook move he has over and over will change that. This is the lowest scoring team in the NBA. This is the WORST scoring Pistons team since they were Fort Wayne. The last time we had a team who scored this little, the Lions were the NFL champs.

That would be ok, if we were a defensive powerhouse that held other teams to even LESS than what the Fort Wayne Pistons averaged in '56. We are LAST in rebounding. Beasley is a 23 year old athletic SF who can score in a variety of ways and actually rebounds the basketball. Of course you'd have to consider making the deal.

[Money23]

If Tay alone doesn't get the trade done, toss in his doppelganger.

[ThaMaestro]

Beasley is not the most stable guy and you have to take that into account when you are building a young team. The guy does have game, though. He could be a 22/9 player on this team.

I would take Cousins, but I'm not sure I would take Beasley. Cousins has a higher ceiling and plays a much more vital position. I would think long and hard about Beasley, though.

[Billl]

If you are building a team, I'm not sure you look to 6'10" guys who shoot 45% and turn the ball over. Beasley obviously has tons of natural talent but he is a complete knuckle-head on and off the court. As badly as we need talent, we need to establish a professional culture worse.

[Kstat]

I'd pass on Beasley. His defense is atrocious and he isn't the type of scorer you can build an offense around and win consistently.

He's got a lot of talent, but is he interested in being a winner? I'm not sure if we can afford to take a chance on him.

As for comparing him to Prince...come on. Prince's 12 points are more valuable than Beasley's 20, because Prince is actually playing defense at the other end. We'd be getting a scoring boost and taking a much bigger defensive hit on a team that already has major issues.

The TWolves drafted the same type of player in Derrick Williams with the 2nd pick, which shows how much they value Beasley. And they got Beasley for nothing.

[El Axe]

Originally Posted by Billl

If you are building a team, I'm not sure you look to 6'10" guys who shoot 45% and turn the ball over. Beasley obviously has tons of natural talent but he is a complete knuckle-head on and off the court. As badly as we need talent, we need to establish a professional culture worse.

Couldn't agree more.

Are people already forgetting last year?

[Mel Kiper Jr]

Originally Posted by Kstat

He's got a lot of talent, but is he interested in being a winner? I'm not sure if we can afford to take a chance on him.

As for comparing him to Prince...come on. Prince's 12 points are more valuable than Beasley's 20, because Prince is actually playing defense at the other end. We'd be getting a scoring boost and taking a much bigger defensive hit on a team that already has major issues.

You do realize you are taking about Prince's value on a FOUR WIN TEAM!?!? Right?

[Kstat]

Who cares how many wins we have? Beasley does nothing except make us worse right now, and his value for the future is a total mystery.

If we offered Tayshaun to Minnesota for Beasley and filler, they'd take it in a heartbeat. He makes them better than beasley does, he adds quality defense to a team that badly needs some, and is not a locker room risk. They have Beasley's physical duplicate in Derrick Williams, so they lose nothing by dealing him.

You can take a risk on a guy like Cousins that has a more diverse skill set and fills a much more valuable position on the floor. There's little reason to gamble on a no-defense playing ball hog that shows up once a week or so and shows little dedication to maximizing his ability.

[Mel Kiper Jr]

Originally Posted by Kstat

Who cares how many wins we have? Beasley does nothing except make us worse right now, and his value for the future is a total mystery.

If we offered Tayshaun to Minnesota for Beasley and filler, they'd take it in a heartbeat. He makes them better than beasley does, he adds quality defense to a team that badly needs some, and is not a locker room risk. They have Beasley's physical duplicate in Derrick Williams, so they lose nothing by dealing him.

You can take a risk on a guy like Cousins that has a more diverse skill set and fills a much more valuable position on the floor. There's little reason to gamble on a no-defense playing ball hog that shows up once a week or so and shows little dedication to maximizing his ability.

So if you substitute Beasley for Prince, you think we'd have 3 wins? 2 wins?

You would NEVER get Cousins for Prince. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Beasley is only 23. I'd say that playing under the right coach that stressed defense would help him.

[Kstat]

Right. He never had that in Miami.....

[Stefan S]

It seems to me that Beasley is too big a risk to go for him, especially for a team in a rebuilding mode, w/o yet a strong and established leadership.

If anything, I'd rather try to use Prince as an asset to get someone who may contribute in a long run. For example, maybe we could use him to obtain Asic from the Bulls, etc.

[Kstat]

I'd rather have Asik and a late 1st than Beasley.

I'd rather have about a dozen different possible Tayshaun trade outcomes than beasley.

[Whiteman]

More Daye tonight. Prince is out on a family matter.

[Stefan S]

Originally Posted by Kstat

I'd rather have Asik and a late 1st than Beasley.

yes, something like that.

[Kstat]

Originally Posted by Whiteman

More Daye tonight. Prince is out on a family matter.

This should be the theme of our 2012 season...

[King Mob]

No Prince, Bynumite or BG against Miami...we're going to need three gamethreads for this.

[fredsue]

Originally Posted by whoDean

What does Beasley give us that Villanueva wouldn't?

Hair.....sorry could not stop myself...I am sorry....

oh and we get more tats...too

[tin mad dog]

Trading a Glue Guy for a Sniffing Glue Guy?

[The King]

I see we play 5 games in the next 6 nights. Does the league just want to injure it's players? Let's keep those losses coming, boys! We currently have a manage a trois with other fortunate teams with 4 losses. Some other shitty team has 3 losses, but can't remember who. We are talking top 3 potential!

[tin mad dog]

Hey, at least the pain goes quickly.

[Money23]

LOL, solid point. Though there have been some sparks recently, with Monroe/Knight and even Max/Daye.

[Money23]

Originally Posted by Kstat

I'd rather have Asik and a late 1st than Beasley.

I'd rather have about a dozen different possible Tayshaun trade outcomes than beasley.

I would MUCH rather have Asik. But with Noah being super inconsistent and Deng coming back soon, why would the Bulls consider that deal? There probably are way more than a dozen guys I would rather have in a deal than Beasley. But Tayshaun's value isn't nearly as high as it may have been a couple of years back. He's beginning to get that mythical "defensive" rep that everyone trots out on guys after the fact. He still has those long arms and the effort is there, but he is simply not staying in front of guys like he used to.